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Today I touched this plant...

Beitrag von JoachimInB » Dienstag, 26 September 2006, 23:33

Today I touched this plant, with my own hands. Believe it or not...
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Wanna see some more plants that I touched today? :roll: :roll: :roll:

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Joachim

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Beitrag von chanin » Mittwoch, 27 September 2006, 1:54

Joe, that was amazing :shock:

Let me guess...hmmm because that Dyckia would be D. dawsonii, it is very very rare ...
And only a few place has it in collection, it would be somewhere in EU...
But as you are an earthquake specialist so you should be at the Swiss Seismological Service, SSS, Zürich,
where has a great collection of xeric broms,
so you were in Switzerland, right ? :wink:

Please, my good friend...do not only touch,
but I knew some plant around overthere are setting seed too :roll:

Show us more pic, Joe
I would like to meet new friends in other part of the world and would be glad to trade plants or seed from this part of the world.

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Beitrag von JoachimInB » Mittwoch, 27 September 2006, 7:54

chanin hat geschrieben:And only a few place has it in collection, it would be somewhere in EU...
But as you are an earthquake specialist so you should be at the Swiss Seismological Service, SSS, Zürich,
where has a great collection of xeric broms,
so you were in Switzerland, right ? :wink:

Hi Chanin, not strictly speaking EU but Zürich is right. How did you conclude that? I don't remember having mentioned that trip to you beforehand. :shock:

chanin hat geschrieben:Please, my good friend...do not only touch,
but I knew some plant around overthere are setting seed too :roll:

Show us more pic, Joe

Well, this time there were no seeds. But maybe next time. The plants seem excitingly healthy and as you can see from the picture, D. dawsonii has flowered repeatedly.

I'll later show some breathtaking Orthophytums, they have real forests of them. Ever seen O. supthutii? :roll: Also other very nice Encholiriums, Dyckias, Deuterocohnias, e.g. a 1 meter (at least!) clump of D. lotteae! :-)

Stay tuned!
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Joachim

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Beitrag von chanin » Mittwoch, 27 September 2006, 14:43

Joe...I'ld like to see O. supthutii, how it looks like when mature,
as I got a small plant from US. (a small green one at the bottom of the picture)

Yes, you never told me, but I have a kind of mental telepathy :wink:
and I know you will bring me a bunch of xeric brom in your next visit here :D

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Beitrag von JoachimInB » Mittwoch, 27 September 2006, 21:58

Hi Chanin, actually I was hoping that with O. supthutii there was an Orthophytum you don't have, but I was wrong... :oops:

OK, lets have a look:

O. supthutii, there were no flowers
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Does it resemble yours?

To me this looks like O. lemei, but it's labelled as O. disjunctum:
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Neoglaziovia variegata, literally a "forest"
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Hechtia montana
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Hechtia marnier-lapostollei
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Dyckia montevidensis
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Dyckia marnier-lapostollei
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Dyckia goehringii :shock:
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Dyckia estevesii
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Deuterocohnia lotteae, diameter of this clump is about 1 meter!
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Joachim

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Beitrag von chanin » Donnerstag, 28 September 2006, 1:45

Joachim...Vielen Dank, sehr nett von Ihnen :shock:

A great collection, but with at least a miss labelled, I think :roll:

Actually Hechtia marnier-lapostollei should be Puya laxa or some species of Puya. This is my H. marnier-lapostollei

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I also doubt about Dyckia montevidensis, it looked like D. choristaminea, here my plant.

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About your Ortho. disjunctum, I agree it does.

In my opinion, the easiest way to distinguish them, comparing with my plants:
O. disjunctum usually has short underground rhizome with shorter leaves.
O. lemei has much longer rhizome which send remote pups, longer leaves with striped underneath
while only plain silver in O. disjunctum


This is my Ortho. lemei with a long rhizome pups.

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Actually, I have about 35 kinds, species and cultivar, of Orthophytum in my collection.
I like this one so much, an odd stick brom :P Ortho. benzingii

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Beitrag von JoachimInB » Donnerstag, 28 September 2006, 10:12

Hi Chanin,

your Hechtia marnier-lapostollei clone is no doubt a very small one. I have never seen anything like that. All that is grown unter that name over here is much larger, though the general habit is not much different. I think they all are H. m.-l. but that this species simply is rather variable.

Regarding Dy. montevidensis, while on the photo it may look similar indeed, it is quite different from your Dy. choristaminea. Which doesn't necessarily mean that it is correctly labelled. Anybody out there who has a picture?

I will try to figure out the origin of what we both believe is O. lemei. I am wondering what other treasures are in the collections without being recognized, just because of a wrong name...

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A few more....

Beitrag von JoachimInB » Donnerstag, 28 September 2006, 11:35

Here a few more pictures from Zürich...

The plant on the left is really strange. Very short leaves, not sure if it would still go under D. lorentziana. The plant to the right (for comparison) is more "typical" yet a bit more "silvery" than the form that is most common in collections.
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Now this doesn't have a label but seems to be a Neoglaziovia, any comments?
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A nice Billbergia clump, also notice the Streptocalyx on the left:
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Hechtia rosea in flower:
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Unidentified Deuterocohnia
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Unidentified Encholirium
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Re: A few more....

Beitrag von Timm Stolten » Donnerstag, 28 September 2006, 19:03

JoachimInB hat geschrieben:Now this doesn't have a label but seems to be a Neoglaziovia, any comments?
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Deinacanthon urbanianum, a monotypic genus

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Re: A few more....

Beitrag von JoachimInB » Montag, 23 Oktober 2006, 7:41

Timm Stolten hat geschrieben:Deinacanthon urbanianum, a monotypic genus

Thanks, Timm. I must have overlooked your reply. :oops:
Chanin, is this species grown in Thailand as well? :roll:

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Beitrag von chanin » Montag, 23 Oktober 2006, 9:03

I just got Deinacanthon urbanianum from Tropiflora last shipment.
The plant is doing well. As your mention, the plant look like Neoglaziovia habit.
A friend in Garden Web forum just showed me a pic of Neoglaziovia burle-marxii ,
a very awesome species, too.
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Beitrag von JoachimInB » Montag, 23 Oktober 2006, 9:58

Actually in Zürich they have very nice stands of both the Neoglaziovia variegata as well as Deinacanthon urbanianum. I have never seen anything like that in Europe before. There were no N. burle-marxii, or perhaps I just didn't recognize them as Neoglaziovia or even bromeliad...

As a side note, in order to get such remarkable growth -in a climate where one wouldn't expect it- the guys in Zürich use heating coils in the ground. Also for those terrificOrthophytums. That certainly makes the difference! Maybe not necessary for Chanin, though :lol: :lol:

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Beitrag von chanin » Donnerstag, 26 Oktober 2006, 9:52

Hey Joachim, before your next visit my home next month.
Please forgive me my friend :roll:
I've to reveal you that in fact, I know someone who ever visited SSS at Zurich and took some pic of xeric collection to show you :lol:

That why I knew, where you touch the plant !
Nothing such a kind of mental thelepathy :D

Here some of them before your visit...

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And this is the true Hechtia marnier-lapostollei, not your pic that should be H.laxa :roll:

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Beitrag von JoachimInB » Freitag, 27 Oktober 2006, 16:54

Hi Chanin,

now I am stunned! I didn't know of course that a friend of yours has taken pictures of the very same plant shortly before :shock: But I must disappoint you regarding the seeds, as there were no seeds, or to be precise, there was nothing left of the inflorescence.

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Beitrag von CK » Dienstag, 8 Januar 2008, 20:20

Hi Guys,

now I finally opened an account (after reading for a few months), because there is one picture in this old and dusty thread that catches my attention (at least slightly more than all these other wonderful pictures in here) - I mean the one from Joachim with the D. lorentziana on the right side, and that mysterious plant with it's greener and shorter leaves on the left.

I got this left plant in my collection, too, under the name of "Deuterocohnia brevis", and recently I was checking the literature for the validity of this name, but couldn't find anything. The only place I ever found a similar plant in is this article here, which might solve the mystery (unfortunately I can't link it directly, so you got to follow these instructions):

http://www.fcbs.org --> go to: "Uncle Derek Says" --> go to. Nr. 49 "Deuterocohnia (that was Abromeitiella"

Following Mr. Butcher's opinion, the plant on the left side is the true D. brevifolia ssp. brevifolia - which obvioulsy doesn't fit with the plants below signs with this name in a lot of botanical gardens and collections, because most plants you find under this label have less succulent, but more heavily spined leaves, just as you would expect from D. brev. ssp. chlorantha.

So here are 2 possibilites: either Mr. Butcher is wrong (which I don't believe, because this article looks well researched to me), or he is right and a lot of plants in our collections will need new labels (which might lead to some difficult decisions regarding some plants, which seem to me like they combine features of both ssp. in their habitus).

Greetings
Chris Kettinger

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